Corona Unmasked: New Facts and Figures

A Special Interview With Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi

By Dr. Joseph Mercola

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Dr. Joseph Mercola:
Welcome, everyone. Dr. Mercola, helping you take control of your health and keep you
updated and informed on the COVID-19 pandemic. And to do that, we have Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi,
who is a microbiologist in Germany. And we’re connecting with them in Germany at this time. So,
welcome, and thank you for joining us today.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Thank you for having me.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

So, can you provide us with a little bit of your background concerning professional training? You’re a
microbiologist and maybe run over some of the academic credentials and affiliations you’ve had and
What you’re doing now?

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Well, I graduated from medical school in Germany. That was back in 1970. And then, after a year of
clinical work, I joined the Max Planck Institute of Immunobiology [and Epigenetics] to learn how to do
science. And I stayed there for four years as a post-doc, where I began my research in immunology. I
researched the complement system and identified the magic bullet of the complement
system, which causes wrongly transfused erythrocytes to [inaudible 00:01:22]. My first piece of work
Was done on that. And then, it went into microbiology and bacteriology and discovered that most bacteria produced similar weapons to use against us. And that’s what set off my career as a
microbiologist. So, I ended up chairing the medicine, microbiology, and hygiene department at the
The University of Mainz, where I stayed for 22 years until my retirement nine years ago.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay. Well, thank you for that. So, you have a very prestigious pedigree, the academic history. You’re an
MD/Ph.D. and for those who aren’t familiar with it, why don’t you say a few words about the Max Planck
Institute? Because it’s one of the most prestigious institutes for science in the world. I believe.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Well, it used to be.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. So, maybe tell us where it used to be when you worked and what’s happened since then?

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Well, the Max Planck Institute where I was, was famous because the discoverers of the so-called
endotoxin, which leads to septic shock and death during severe infections, was partly discovered
there. And that’s where the center of immunology was based at that time. Those were in the ‘70s. And
that’s why I went there. In fact, it was also the first institution in Germany where membranes of cells
were analyzed to see what was going on within the membrane itself. And that’s how I stumbled across
The magic bullet of the complement system because I discovered that a complement, when activated, shoots bullets into the membranes of your cells. And that’s what kills you. Now, all of this is
coming back to is completing a whole circle in my life because it now turns out that the coronavirus is
also employing this method of using our own immune system to the path of self-destruction. And that is
what I think is one of the major paths to adverse events after vaccination.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yes, indeed. So, you’re eminently scientifically qualified to comment in this area because you’ve spent
the majority of your professional life studying these issues. So, we’re eagerly looking forward to the
conclusions you’ve reached. I think most of your comments have been directed to the vaccine. I think
that’s probably a good place to start because that seems to be the objective of this whole “plandemic.”
the narrative is to manipulate, brainwash, cajole people into getting the vaccine.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

I agree.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. I mean, this is where we’re at, and we need to understand this. And I think you’re providing us with
an overall perspective that will help many people. Now having said that, I am convinced without any shadow
of a doubt we are in the middle of one of the most effective propaganda campaigns ever engineered in
the history of the human race.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

And as a result of that propaganda and brainwashing, literally half the population is essentially unable to
think rationally or logically when presented with facts. So, we have to understand that many
people who need to hear this presented on a silver platter will just ignore it and choose to believe it’s
Fake, or it’s just not correct. So, that’s okay. Because there are half of the people who aren’t brainwashed, and that’s who we’re speaking to. So, why don’t you give us your perspective as to what’s been
happening? I’ve got many specific questions, but I’ll let you start it off by painting the broad strokes.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Well, I agree with all of what you said, and I have actually nothing to add to that. Our efforts, our efforts, my wife, Karina Reiss, and I are currently directed at providing
information about the so-called vaccination because we believe that this vaccination agenda and
program is the greatest threat to humanity. The greatest threat that humanity has ever come up against.
And it is our duty to aggressively inform people about the dangers that they are subjecting themselves
and their beloved ones to by this vaccination.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay. That’s a good place to start. And as again, I want to emphasize that you are more than eminently
qualified academically to comment on this because of your decades of experience in this area. So, why
don’t you-

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

I also worked on the development of vaccines.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Oh yeah. That’s another point I wanted to bring up. You are not anti-vax. I am typically perceived as antivax because I have been opposed to routine vaccinations for probably three decades now. And I
did provide vaccination immunizations in my medical practice until about the early ‘90s before I
began to understand or realize that there were enormous complications with them. But that is not the
position you’ve taken. You actually are pro-vax, and I suspect you’ve received most of your vaccinations
up to date, but with this one, you’ve turned around. So, maybe you can expand on that before you go
into the discussion because I think many people will choose to paint you untruthfully as an anti-vaxxer.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

I would modify that a little bit. I certainly am pro-vax with regards to the vaccinations that work and that
are meaningful. And with that, I will also say tetanus, diphtheria, yes, anytime. However, I have not been
pro [to] the recommendations that have been given. So, I would never say that infants, little children,
They should be vaccinated against diphtheria and tetanus because they are not endangered. If you say.

Joseph Mercola:

Or hepatitis B, even more, insane at day one of birth.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Yes. Well, exactly. I’m not for that. I would be for tetanus and diphtheria at the right age, before entering school, for instance, where the danger of getting aluminum poisoning has subsided. And I would
never go for vaccination of infants with diphtheria, tetanus, and pneumococcal, as they’re doing in
Germany, creating massive thousands of poor children who suffer from aluminum intoxication. So,
whereas I say I am pro-vax, I will say so only for the really meaningful vaccinations. And this
does not pertain, for instance, to influenza, to the flu. It does not pertain necessarily to shingles, and it
certainly does not pertain to corona.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay, great. So, thank you for refining that characterization of your position because I think it’s
important to do that. And that is a rational perspective, and it’s tough to argue against it if you’re
objective, from my perspective. So, thank you for refining that. So, why don’t we dive into the primary
reasons for your objections to the coronavirus vaccine, which extensively, and maybe I can dive into a
little bit of the historical perspective, was characterized as being 95% effective or in that range because
There were several different vaccine manufacturers out there, but in a sense, 95% effective?

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

And that was essentially a massive statistical aberration because they conflated relative risk and
absolute risk. So, the absolute risk was probably closer to 1% or 2%. Or even under 1%, I think it was
under 1%.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Under 1%.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Under 1%. So, why don’t we start there and then it wasn’t for providing immunity or protecting you
from infection. It was just at lowering the symptoms, the severity of the symptoms that you had.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Which they did not show either.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, but that’s what they claimed.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

They didn’t show anything. They showed absolutely zero. This is ridiculousness, and it’s so devastating
that one doesn’t understand that people don’t understand that they’re being fooled and have been
fooled all along. Let’s take one of these Pfizer trials, 20,000 people were vaccinated and 20,000
healthy people were not vaccinated. And then they observed over a period of, I think, 12 weeks or so,
How many cases did they find in the vaccinated group, and how many cases did they find the nonvaccinated? And as you say, they found that less than 1% of the vaccinated group got COVID19, and less than 1% in the non-vaccinated group also got COVID-19. The difference was 0.8% to 0.1%,
which is nothing because they were not even looking at severe cases. They were looking
at people with a positive PCR test, which is worthless, as we all now know.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

I mean, it’s not worth the scrap of paper that you look at. Plus, one symptom, which could be a cough or a
bit of fever. And that is not a severe case of COVID-19. So, any vaccination that will get authorized
must be shown to protect against severe illness and death. And this has definitely not been shown. So,
forget authorization. It can’t be authorized, not by any normal means. Now you will come and say, okay,
it isn’t a full authorization. It’s an emergency authorization, which again is absolute bullshit. Since we
know, since John Ioannidis has published these numbers that have never been contested by anyone in
the world and cannot be contested, that the infection fatality rate of this disease or virus is not greater
than that of seasonal flu. And if anyone is under 70 years of age and has no preexisting illness, no severe
pre-existing illness, he can hardly die, even if he wants to, of COVID-19.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

. No fatality rate can be reduced. There is none. And for people who are elderly and have
preexisting illness, as we know from Peter McCullough and his colleagues’ work, there are very good
means and medicines to treat this virus so that the fatality rates go down another 70% to 80%, if they
are treated properly, which means that there is no ground for emergency use whatsoever, which means
that the FDA (Food and Drug Authority) should be able to be forced to retract this emergency use
authorization unless they are in league with whoever wants to do this.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Well, they clearly are. And what’d you said is completely accurate. And just to expand on that a bit to
clarify, one of the qualifications for legally implementing emergency use authorization measures is
that there cannot be a preexisting treatment that exists that is an alternative. And they exist on multiple
fronts. I mean, there are at least half a dozen strategies that one can use to effectively lower [crosstalk
00:15:04].

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

I’m complete with you. That’s what I’m trying to say. So, the whole thing is ridiculous.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

All right. So, clearly, we’re both in agreement, too, on the propaganda being used and the effect or the
primary objective of the propaganda is to radically increase the fear because fear is one of the primary,
most potent motivations to behavior manipulation. And one of the ways they’ve done this is to,
especially early in January, when they started collecting the data is to suggest that people are
getting infected. And there’s such a difference because they call it a case versus COVID-19, which is a
radical differentiation.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

When the fatality rate was dropping, then they switched. Instead of using deaths, they switched to
cases. And most people believe that the cases were equivalent to deaths. And they’re not, obviously.
But what they did is they did some initial studies and collected data in January. And the data showed
that most of the people who were getting infected were not vaccinated. Big surprise because they just
started the campaign in late December, but they’ve maintained that data. And they used statistics from
that all the way six months later. Their claim was, which was massively propagated on the media,
is that 99% of the people getting infected are unvaccinated, which is exact conflict. It’s almost the
converse. We’re looking at 70% to 85% of most studies showing people getting infected now are
vaccinated. So, why don’t you dive into that? Because it’s an area, they massively twisted around to
propagandize with misinformation.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

I have nothing to add to what you say. Of course, all of this is manipulative. It’s all manipulated. And as
you say, if anyone wants to manipulate something and are in a position to propagate it then, you have
no chance of analyzing it and telling people because we have no voice in this affair and we don’t – when
we stand up and tell people this; they just turn around and say that’s not the truth.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. Well, that is the truth. And even they’re admitting it, and they’re ignoring their previous claims.
And then, we can look at the experience of some countries that are even more successful at
propagandizing their populations to convince them to get the vaccine. And I’m thinking of Israel
specifically.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

[crosstalk 00:17:49] not bad. Germany is not bad.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. Israel was like 85%, 90% of the population is immunized. So, we’ve got, I want to talk at this point
too. Because there are three countries, Israel, Sweden, and India, which absolutely destroy their
narrative because first, we got Israel, which has been massively vaccinated and getting enormous
amounts of cases.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

They were forced. [inaudible 00:18:16] you really believe it.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay. Well, I don’t. You’re probably correct. I haven’t studied history over there. And then I’m sad if
they were forced because that is somewhat what they’re moving into and the position they’re
moving into in this country for forcing it. But there’s the no-fly rule in such. And you cannot go to work. I
mean, some CNN commentators believe that you shouldn’t be able to go to the grocery
store unless you’re vaccinated.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Yeah. Throw them into jail.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. Throw them in jail. Yeah. But anyway, so we’ve got the experience with Israel, and they are
getting, I believe most of the people, the cases some people have been vaccinated. Then you
have Sweden and India. Well, Sweden, from the perspective that they had no lockdowns, no masks, no
social isolations. And they have one of the lowest rates ever. And you don’t hear any talk about Sweden
anymore because it disproves what their claims were. If it were contrary to that, you’d hear about it
every day. In India has hardly anyone is immunized. I don’t know if it’s just discourteous and it’s shallow
it’s well under 25%, maybe as low as 10%. And we do not see a lot of cases in India at all.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Well, I talked to Indian colleagues a couple of weeks ago.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay. So, why don’t you update us on your perspective on that?

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

And they said that in, of course, less than 10% of India’s vaccinated, but they’re an awful lot of Indians.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, over a billion.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

So, if a hundred million have been vaccinated, that’s a damn lot. And they are, in fact, seeing very severe
cases of true corona infections. And they are among the vaccinated. What we’re witnessing in India and
probably also in Israel is the immune-dependent enhancement of disease, which we had always
warned against together with Dolores Cahill a long time ago. And I also think in our book. It’s bound to
happen. So, the people who are getting vaccinated now have to be fearful of the next wave of genuine
infections, whether it’s the corona, COVID-19 relatives or not, or any other coronaviruses, because they’re
all related. They will all be subject to immune-dependent enhancement, obviously.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. So, I definitely want you to dive deeper into that because you’re really well trained and qualified
to comment on it. And I like the fact that you’re calling it immune enhancement because I think that’s
more accurate. Typically for those watching and may appreciate that, this is referred to
as ADE, or antibody-dependent enhancement, which I don’t think is as good as – I like to term PIE or
paradoxical because it doesn’t make sense. It does the exact opposite of what it’s supposed to do,
immune enhancement. So, why don’t you discuss what’s happening? Because I think this is the crux and
really forms the foundational basis for your concern. Some of the projections I’ve heard you stated
earlier as to the outcome of what will happen to most of the people who’ve been vaccinated.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

I mean, I will start by saying something that we’ve also written in our book: there are two major
arms of defense against infection. One, against viral infection, one are the antibodies that, if they are
present, may prevent the virus from entering the cells. These are so-called neutralizing antibodies,
which the vaccination is supposed to – yes. But since the antibodies directed against respiratory viruses
are not really there at the place that they are needed, which is on the surface of the airway epithelium.
They are in the blood but not at the surface of the epithelium where the virus arrives. Most respiratory
viruses will be able to enter the lung cells. And the second arm of immune defense then comes into play.
And these are the lymphocytes.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Now there are different types of lymphocytes. I will simplify matters by saying the important
lymphocytes are the so-called killer lymphocytes that sense whenever a virus product is produced
in the cell. They will then come and destroy the cells that harbor the virus, and thus is the factory
closed. And people get well again. That is the mechanism of how we can survive viral infections of the lung.
And this happens all the time. So, the lymphocytes, in contrast to the antibodies, recognize many, many,
many parts of the proteins. All right. So, if a virus changes a little bit, it doesn’t matter because the
waste products recognized by the killer lymphocytes remain very similar. And that is why all of
us, and this is now known, all of us have memory lymphocytes in our lymph nodes and in our lymphoid
organs trained to recognize these coronaviruses. And whether or not a mutant is there, it
doesn’t really matter because they will recognize a mutant.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Or variants is what they’re calling [crosstalk 00:24:14].

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Or variants, the same, variants. But the variants you see aren’t really altered so much.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Right, it’s pretty minor.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

It’s extremely little because coronaviruses can only undergo point mutations. Meaning only one
nucleotide at a time can be changed. This is the difference between flu. The flu virus can completely change its
spike protein by exchanging the spike protein. One virus can exchange its spike protein with another
virus if two viruses are in the cell. This sort of shift is not possible with coronaviruses. And therefore, you
will never have leaps in antigenic changes either for antibodies or T-cell killer lymphocytes. And
that’s why the background immunity, I don’t want to talk about herd immunity, but the background
immunity that evolves during the lifetime of a human being is comprehensive and solid. And that’s why
When the virus enters the body of a 17-year-old who has no preexisting illness, the virus will not kill that man or woman.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

It cannot. We are immune. And in fact, this is the good news. There have been papers appearing in June
that have collectively shown that, indeed, our immune system already knows this new virus and is
already trained in combat with this virus. And this is absolutely clear and conclusive that evidence is
there, and anyone can go and read those papers that have shown that the response to vaccination. If
you’re vaccinated today, the immune system immediately responds by throwing out the antibodies that
everyone wants. They are already in the treasure trove of the immune system. Plus, the killer
lymphocytes that you need in case the virus gets to the lung. And that is that. In fact, because these
papers have been published, we now know that this virus’s narrative is new and therefore
dangerous because the immune system cannot recognize it is a lie. It’s wrong.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, it is.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Proven to be wrong. So, now we have no reason whatsoever to vaccinate. First of all – yeah.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Well, let’s dive into herd immunity because that’s the crux of the issue. And I really want to focus on
the most egregious nullifications or decimation of medical, scientific truths. And that is the
concept that unless you have immunity from the vaccine, you’re not protected. It doesn’t matter if
you’ve received natural immunity, which is far different, far superior, infinitely more superior. Let’s go
into it. So, I want you; you’re so qualified to go into this, this is why I wanted to discuss it. You had
mentioned these antibodies that are in the blood and not on the epithelial surfaces. Well, the antibodies.
Are three types of IgG, which are long-term, IgM, the acute. And then you got secretory IgA. So, I think that in the natural infection, you have the secretory IgA, but the vaccine does not produce that,
but maybe it does. So, then, of course, you’ve got the lymphocyte too. So, why don’t you expand on that
a bit, just to clarify and help us understand why natural immunity is infinitely superior to vaccine-induced immunity?

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Well, the antibodies don’t really; they’re not enough of them. The struggle between antibodies and viruses
is a struggle of numbers. So, one antibody can bind one spike point, and once it’s bound, it’s gone. So,
even if you have secretory IgA out there lining the epithelium, which you do, but you have minuscule
amounts of it. That’s known; it’s minuscule. The moment the viral load is high, they just overrun. It’s that
simple. So, the antibody – so the virus will always get into the lung just as the flu does, but then the
killer lymphocytes will come and extinguish the fire. Now, in that process, of course, viruses may enter
the blood. When lung tissue is destroyed, the virus may enter the blood. Then maybe the antibodies will
play a protective role by preventing the virus from disseminating via the bloodstream to other organs.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

In fact, it is known that the coronavirus does not disseminate to other organs. It is known that the spike
protein can dissociate away and, by itself, on its own, travel to distant sites in the body. And that can
also be partly suppressed by antibodies, probably. But this is not a big deal. The big deal is the
lymphocytes, which are the naturally occurring cells that protect you. And, of course, vaccination that is
aimed primarily at creating IgG antibodies in the blood has no way of competing with natural immunity
via lymphocytes, no way at all. And the very fact that the WHO (World Health Organization) has changed
the definition of herd immunity to say that [crosstalk 00:30:27] created by antibodies by vaccination is
Such a scandal. I’m at a loss of words to describe how ridiculous I find this all, that our colleagues are accepting this. I mean, your colleagues and my colleagues. How can the physicians and scientists of
the world bear to have to listen to all this nonsense?

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Just to be clear, the killer lymphocytes seem to be the champions here at providing the bulk of the
The immune response that’s going to protect us against devastating side effects from the infection. And you contend that the COVID injections do not stimulate killer lymphocyte production.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

I did not say that.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay. Well, then that’s why I asked for clarification. [crosstalk 00:31:25].

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

I didn’t say that. On the contrary, they will. However, this is going to be at the expense of the patients
because this will create horrible, adverse side effects. Now, let me just try to tell you what I think.
You see, normally this virus will stay in the lung because it’s sort of captured there by the killer
lymphocytes. So we have a lung infection, and the lung can recuperate, can recover from this after the
virus has gone. A man is now daring to do that. He is daring to introduce a viral gene, the gene of
the dangerous gene, into the blood to gain access to sites that it would never gain access to in
normal conditions. And these are two main sites. First, the lymph nodes, the lymph nodes that drain the
muscles. And second, once the genes have entered the bloodstream, they will enter the cells that line
the vessels, the endothelial cells. These are the cells that line all the vessels of our body down
to the capillaries from the big to the smallest.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Can you just, I can just hold you there and just ask a quick question. The vaccine or the COVID injection
jab is injected into the deltoid muscle into the arm. So, can you just walk us through how it gets from
Thereinto the blood?

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Yeah, very simple; the well-known path is that it drains to the lymph nodes, and things in
the lymph nodes then go into the bloodstream. In the case of these nanoparticles, however, there may
be another way in, and that is the direct translocation from the muscle into the small vessels because
these lipid packages [crosstalk 00:33:45] are not only so small, they have special properties of being
taken up by cells actively and cast out on the other side of the cell. This is so-called transcytosis, going
across a cell. And this is something that is very poorly defined, but it seems to be taking place. We know
this from animal data that Pfizer had to submit to the Japanese authorities. They have never been
published in English, by the way. And there they show that these packages, the nanoparticles, appeared
in the blood within just one or two hours after injection, which is so fast that it means that they must
have been translated directly from the muscle into the blood, which is a horrible thought, by the way.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Okay. So, when the spikes are made at forbidden sites, and these sites are the vessels of your body, the
vessels of your brain, for instance, one has to imagine that if once they’re sitting in a room, that would
be a vessel, then the tapestry would be the cells lining the vessel. You would have to imagine suddenly
spikes coming out of the wall, into the bloodstream. That’s what’s happening to all these poor people.
All over the body. No one knows where because no one ever bothered to look. And when this happens,
immediately, the killer lymphocytes that we all have and that have been trained in combat to recognize
corona spike proteins will come and attack the cells because they think that these cells are infected. It’s
that straightforward. And we wrote, actually, in our second book that has only appeared in German, but
we wrote this chapter in English too.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

So, it can be downloaded free of charge for anyone who wants to read it. And what we wrote was that
we could not imagine that scraping the tapestry of the wall will not have serious consequences. The major
one being that it will provoke clot formation because the moment a vessel is injured, clots will form. And
that’s why that was back in February; we said we were horribly worried that people receiving these
vaccines were going to suffer from clot formation at sites we did not really know, but in the meantime, it
turns out that that clot formation is probably one of the major paths to adverse events and reactions to
illness, to death in all vaccine recipients.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. So, let’s expand on that a bit because that’s a broad range of types of clots. I mean, you’ve got the
typical type of blood clot we think of clinically is big enough to occlude really crucial arteries
like in the brain or the heart, the arteries of the heart. So, you have a heart attack. So, is it that type of
clot, or is it much smaller ones? These microemboli that really
Well, both, anything you want, anything you want, both.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Well, both, anything you want, anything you want, both. And in fact, pathologists are now starting to
see that. And it’s an incredible array of clot formation, from tiny clots, micro-thrombosis to large clots in
deep veins that lead to pulmonary embolism. Anything you want. Cerebral sinus venous thrombosis that
causes these splitting headaches and palsies and whatever you want and nausea, vomiting. These
Poor people very likely have clots in their brain vessels that no one is ever looking for. And there’s a straightforward lab test that tells you where the clot formation is taking place. And this is the D-dimer [crosstalk
00:38:15]. And we’re getting reins of the narrative coming in saying, “Yeah, we found D-dimers in this
patient, this patient, they were so high, but no one could explain where they came from.”

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

So, one gets tired of listening to all of this because it was obvious. Now that is one thing. The other
thing that has now emerged is just as frightening. And that is that because the immune system
recognizes this spike protein as old, the immune response is rapid. So, one to two.
Weeks after the first jab, everyone starts making antibodies in large amounts after the first jab. Now, when the second jab is
done, and the spike proteins start to project from the walls of your vessels into your bloodstream, it is
not met only by the killer lymphocytes. Now the antibodies are also there, and the antibodies activate
complement. That was my first field of research. So, that takes me back to the first years. And this is my
Over 40 years ago, God was clear that complement, which is the second cascade system in the
blood.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

The first cascade system is the clotting system. Turn it off, and the blood will clot. If you turn on the
complement system with the antibodies that bind to your vessel wall, then this complement system will
start riddling holes in the vessel wall. What a horrible thought. And if you go and see these patients who
have bleeding in the skin. I don’t know if you’ve seen any of these patients where I’ve seen lots of
Pictures, frank bleeding. And ask, where does that come from?

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Say, well, if you go around riddling your vessel with complement holes, you want trouble, you get it.
Now, this can happen anywhere, of course. And if the holes riddle in vessels of the liver, for instance, or
the pancreas or the brain, then the blood will seep through the vessels into the tissues. And what, may I
ask the people who are being vaccinated right now, do you think it’s also going to be in the blood that
seeps into your liver and brain? Well, because the vaccines have half times that are days,
they are in your bloodstream for at least a week. And they will seep into the liver into any organ. And
when those cells, when the liver cells, start to make the spikes themselves, the killer
lymphocytes will also seek and destroy them. What we are witnessing is one of the fascinating
experiments that could lead to massive autoimmune diseases.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

When this happens, God knows. And what this will lead to, God knows. It will take some time, but okay.
And so that’s that, but one last thing, and then I’m almost finished with this vaccine horror. Look at the
lymph nodes, and the lymph nodes are full of lymphocytes and other immune cells. When these damn
vaccines get to the lymph nodes, especially mRNA vaccines packaged in these lipid
nanoparticles, poison. They’re poison to the cells. So, some cells will immediately die upon contact. Cells
that don’t die and take up the vaccine and start to produce the spike will be recognized by their
brothers and sisters in the lymph nodes as virus producers, and they will be attacked. So, this is paternal
war. The war between immune cells against immune cells. Man instigates that because man dares to
introduce the viral gene to a place it should not reach.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

All right. Now, when lymphocytes die in the lymph node, of course, this will cause inflammation.
The complement system will also attack, and the lymph nodes swell; they are painful, and this can
stay for weeks on end. My colleagues here are telling me, “It’s so strange, these lymph nodes, they’re
just swollen, and what can happen then?” The lymphocytes in our lymph nodes are our lifelong
sentinels and keep latent infections such as shingles under control. So, when they are gone or malfunctioning, these viruses sleeping in our bodies wake up and ravage the body. That’s why
shingles after shots or shots and shingles are telling us a significant story that no one is looking into.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

And it is so worrisome that I spent days reading up, what can happen if you’re your sentinel lymphocytes
weaken and slacken their grip on dormant pathologic events. These are viruses such as shingles, herpes,
zoster, EBV, Epstein-Barr Virus, CMV, cytomegalovirus in certain countries, toxoplasma,
tuberculosis. And, of course, tumors. As we all know, tumors are forming every day in our bodies, but
our lymphocytes recognize those tumor cells, and then they’re snuffed out. So, I am awful, and I’m
just worried sick that the world is being goaded into taking something into the body that will
change the whole face of medicine.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. We’ll get into what your projections are in a moment, but I want to dive back a bit and go into the
paradoxical immune enhancement. And from what you just said, it seems like the primary explanation
for that is that there’s a qualitative difference in the type of antibodies produced. By that, I mean,
The neutralizing antibodies you referred to earlier are useful, but it’s not very effective without the killer T-cells or lymphocytes. But then you’ve got this binding antibody, which you just
referred to. And the binding antibody, which binds to the spikes coming out of the endothelial cell walls
after the COVID injections, causes the problem. So, is it this that’s the core of this paradoxical
immune enhancement, the differentiation between the binding and the neutralizing antibodies?

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

No, I don’t believe that at all. I think that.

Joseph Mercola:

That’s why I’m asking.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

There’s no molecular fundament for that because the enhancement of infection that you see in cell
culture cannot be equated with any true enhancement in the body. And when you read these papers,
for instance, saying that there’s a discrepancy between findings in cell culture and animals, you always
have to question immediately, “Is the animal model valid at all?” And the answer is, there have been no
valid experiments in animal models to show anything. In fact, there’s no scientific data at all to show
whether an antibody can enhance or prevent the course of infection in the correct animal model, which
is the monkey. And I have no more to say because everything else is pure speculation.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay. Nevertheless, this paradoxical immune enhancement exists and is projected by many. And I
believe including you to be possible for a large portion of deaths that will occur.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

I think that the enhancement is primarily due to lymphocytes.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

That’s interesting. That is interesting. So, it’s the killer lymphocytes that are responsible for it.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Yes, they are overreactive. You see, because.

Joseph Mercola:

I’ve not heard of this before, and the secondary complement activation.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Yes, also. Exactly.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

But that is on-site. You see, when the lung produces the spike and you have too many antibodies and
Complement, then, of course, there’s going to be mass destruction of lung tissue. And if you have overreactive killer lymphocytes, you will also have over-destruction of lung tissue. You see, the whole
immune system and how it works is, I’m a Buddhist, but I will say, it’s the work of God. All right. And
there’s a conductor. It’s like an orchestra playing. And the orchestra always plays the right tune because
a conductor says, “Okay, this is a virus that is not very dangerous. So, don’t play too loudly.
Don’t get the trumpets to sound when the violins are enough.” But what the vaccine proponents are
doing is getting the whole orchestra out of tune and out of tone, and they’re trying to
replace the conductor. And this is something that is bound to lead to doom.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay. So, let’s get into that. That’s your projection bound to lead to doom. So, I suspect you thought.
About this at some length and.

Sucharit Bhakdi:

Greatly.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

-have come to some conclusions as to what your projections might be. Now, obviously, there’s going to
be a range of outcomes. And I’m wondering if you could discuss with us what the conclusion you
have reached on this topic.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Well, the conclusion regarding the vaccines is very, very simple. Somebody must stop the vaccination program. Gene-based vaccines are an absolute danger to humanity, and their use at present violates the
Nuremberg codex, such that everyone who is propagating their use should be put before the tribunal,
especially the vaccination of children is so criminal that I have no words to express my
horror.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

As we all know, it is laid down by the Nuremberg codex that in case of experiments are to be conducted in
humans, this can only be performed with informed consent, and informed consent means that the
person to be vaccinated has to be informed about all the risks, the risk/benefit ratios, the potentially
dangerous, and what is known about side effects. Harm cannot do this with children because children
are not in the position to understand it. Therefore, they cannot give informed consent. Therefore, they
cannot be vaccinated. If anyone does that, he should be set tomorrow before a tribunal. If grownups
have been informed and want to get the shot, that’s all right. But don’t force anyone to get the shot. It
has to be by informed consent only.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, that’s it. Informed consent is virtually impossible because anything, any attempt to
inform people of the negative consequences of injecting this substance into your body is
essentially censored. And in many cases, it’s banned. So, it’s a very effective strategy. So, they’re only
getting one side. They’re not getting the other side, and you can’t have informed consent without
hearing both sides

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Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Yeah. Right. Correct. The parents should now step in and say, “We will not allow our children to be
vaccinated.” And it is almost common knowledge among anyone who’s been thinking about that. The risks in pregnancy are bound, and we believe that many stillbirths are a result of these vaccinations.
Furthermore, these vaccines accumulate in the ovaries and testes, and we are horribly worried that
there will be an impact on fertility. And this will be seen in years or decades from now. And this is
potentially one of the greatest crimes, simply one of the greatest crimes imaginable.

Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. It’s certainly the greatest experiment in human history. It’s just unequivocal. There’s no doubt
about it. So, the first step is if you’re watching this is, if you’ve gotten the vaccine, you’ve gotten it.
There’s nothing you can do, but you certainly don’t want to get a booster. And it looks every bit is what
people were projecting. Many were projecting, actually, is they’re going to come up with booster
recommendations. Maybe once, twice, even three times a year, you’re supposed to get your booster. So,
that’s the last thing you want to do is get another booster injection on this. The more you get, the worse
it’s going to be, and the more consequences that you’re going to have as a result. So, why don’t you
expand on that? And we can then going to discuss another component.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Absolutely. I mean, there’s nothing more to say. You see, the orchestra is being told to play louder and
louder and louder. The damage is going to get worse and worse and worse. In the end, I predict that
we’re going to see mass illnesses and deaths among the healthy people who normally would have
wonderful lives ahead of them. Yeah. It’s [crosstalk 00:54:15].

Dr.Joseph Mercola

Do you have an idea of the range that you’re projecting is that we might have those?

Dr.Sucharit Bhakdi

No.

Dr.Joseph Mercola

Because I mean, already, we’ve got, I mean, it’s hard to tell because there’s such a limited database.
We’re recording this is close to 13,000 500,000 adverse events. Some are projecting that a minimum of
five times. That is what the actuality is because they’re just not reported this. And they were six months
into this or seven months.

Dr.Sucharit Bhakti

Yeah. So, I’m not a mathematician, but you ask a computer to do some computing, and you’ll come up
with numbers that are so horrifying that you can’t imagine that they can get through with this program.

Dr.Joseph Mercola

By then, it’s going to be too late. So, have you come up with any recommendations for those who’ve
already gotten it? I mean, the primary one is don’t get another one. I mean, that’s the number one most
important strategy, but then there’s, once people become enlightened and understand that there’s a
risk to what they’ve done or forced to do for whatever reason, what is their next step aside from not.
Getting the next one?

Dr.Sucharit Bhakti:

The next step is to realize that if they contact a real infection now in autumn, they have to
realize that there are good medicines to treat the infection. All right. And they should insist that they get
it.

Dr.Joseph Mercola

Okay. So, yes, I actually interviewed Dr. Vladimir Zelenko. And he’s responsible for creating many
effective protocols. So, in his contention, just like you stated the time, if you’re exposed to this
infection at the very first sign of a symptom, you’ve got to jump on this. You literally have like 48 hours
before it could be too late. The longer you wait, the worse it’s going to be.

Dr.Sucharit Bhakti:

That sounds very dramatic, but you should do something about it as soon as possible.

Dr.Joseph Mercola:

Well, it’s his experience. I mean, he’s got pretty significant experience in this in the front lines. So, that’s
what he recommends because of the viral replication. Exactly what you were saying earlier, the more
viral load there is, the worse the problem.

Dr.Sucharit Bhakti:

Yes. Well, okay. I don’t think we have to say he said so. Yes, it’s fine with me.

Dr.Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, I know. And there’s a wide variety of available treatments and certainly the
conventional ones like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, and quercetin and zinc.

Dr.Sucharit Bhakti:

Sure, sure, sure.

Dr.Joseph Mercola:

All right, well, I think that covers most of the questions I had. I am deeply appreciative of your
lending your expertise and refining some of my understanding of the pathology that was going on,
especially concerning paradoxical immune enhancement. Do you have any other comments you’d
Like to make or reinforce some of the earlier ones you made?

Dr.Sucharit Bhakti:

I think I’ve said everything I have to say.

Dr.Joseph Mercola:

Okay, good. All right. And then the final question is, you had alluded to the fact that you’ve written at
least one book, maybe two. And I think the current one is written in German, but you did have one of
the most important chapters converted to English, and that’s available as a free download. So, how does
Does someone obtain a copy of that?

Dr.Sucharit Bhakti:

You go to the publisher, Goldegg.

Dr.Joseph Mercola:

Can you spell that?

Dr.Sucharit Bhakti:

Yeah, it’s G-O-L-D-E-G-G.

Dr.Joseph Mercola:

Goldegg, G-O-L-D-E-G-G. Okay. Dot com

Dr.Sucharit Bhakti:

Put in a Bhakdi or put in “Corona Unmasked.”

Dr.Joseph Mercola:

“Corona Unmasked,” which is the title of your new book.

Dr.Sucharit Bhakti:

Of the book. Although it’s in German, the title is English. All right.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

It’s good.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Going there to the left of the book, you will see a link to an English chapter.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay, perfect.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

That’s it.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

And I just have one personal curiosity. You’ve been in Germany for what? Four decades.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Yeah, more.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Why don’t you have a German accent, and what type of accent do you have? I mean, clearly, it’s a delightful British type of accent.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

I went to an English school and an American school in Egypt.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Oh, interesting. Okay. So, that explains it. And you didn’t pick up any German accent; that’s interesting.
So, and you speak German fluently, I would imagine.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Yes.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks to you for all your work and efforts, and people will – I look forward to
reading that chapter.

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

Please do.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, I will. All right, well, thanks again. Appreciate all your help

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi:

You’re welcome and goodbye.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

All right, bye.